Interview: Maryland Watch Works

Last summer, I attended Watches, Whiskey and Wine in Hagerstown, Maryland. It was breath of fresh air in more ways than one. All of the usual watch shows, including our own District Time, had been shuttered in 2020 and early 2021. Like most of the world, I had spent an uncertain year or more in an extremely limited social circle and had spent most of my time rattling the house in sweatpants getting on my family’s nerves. I was itching to get out and get away. I convinced fellow Bums, Mike and Lauren, to take the brief road trip from the Northern Virginia suburbs to the Maryland-Pennsylvania border so we could hang with our #watchfam in person.

The show was a blast, showcasing an impressive array of watch brands and drawing a healthy crowd. We met some great folks, saw some cool watches, and I was even able to express my pent-up dandyism and dress in some real clothes for a change. I was also able to reconnect with Pete Brown and Eugene Stohlman, neither of whom I had seen since the last District Time show in 2019. Pete is the founder of Hagerstown’s own Hager Watches and is Eugene’s partner in Maryland Watch Works. Part of the show was a guided tour of Maryland Watch Works, a meticulously clean workshop set up in what Lauren (@watchmakers.daughter) told me is the classic Swiss style. Before I left, I had rekindled my desire to organize the next District Time show and I promised to share more about Pete and Eugene’s venture.

District Time 2022 is almost here (March 5-6) and both Hager Watches and Maryland Watch Works will be there, so I’ve asked Eugene and Pete to tell us more and explain their vision for American watchmaking.

Eugene Stohlman Maryland Watch Works

Eugene Stohlman at Maryland Watch Works

TTB: What is Maryland Watch Works (MWW)?

ES: MWW is a watch manufactory and repair shop, where we are trying to bring back the American spotlight to watch manufacturing affordably.

PB: It’s a one-stop shop. We offer everything from battery replacement, sizing, and polishing right up through repairing and assembling automatic movements. This is a big advantage for microbrand companies because they don’t have to send their watches back to Switzerland or China for repair.  

TTB: You mentioned microbrands. Do offer them more than assembly and repair?

ES: Yes, a lot. We offer a lot. Whether it’s warranty work or if you’re starting a brand from scratch and have no idea where to start, we help with sourcing, designing, assembly, repair, and are working on a QC dropshipping department.

TTB: Why Hagerstown, Maryland? I mean, it’s a lovely place, but what made it a good spot to start a business like this?

ES: Because it was cheap. Also, Hagerstown has a deep manufacturing background so there are companies here that we can collaborate with and a local government that wanted to help us bring a new manufacturing business.

PB: I was already based in Hagerstown with Hager Watches. It was a good opportunity to collaborate with State, County, and Local government officials.    

TTB: How did the two of you connect for this venture?

ES: It started at District Time almost 4 years ago when Pete mentioned that he wanted to start making an American Movement. Then, at the last District Time before Covid,  I was starting to look for a new job and Pete again said “we could do this!” So, I knew it would be one of those things that if I didn’t give it a go, it would always be a “what if” in the back of my head. So in February 2020, we started the venture.

PB: For sure!  Eugene is a talented watchmaker and we had spoken a few times over the years.  I was coming out of a partnership with FTS and then Soprod and the Festina Group with Atelier, and had decided that I needed to find a local partner to help with repairs as the partner I was using out west was overloaded with work from bigger companies and it was taking a lot longer to return watches to my customers. I also thought, given the experience I had gained with starting FTS and Atelier, that Eugene and I could actually manufacture movements here in Maryland. As I said he’s a talented watchmaker.

Pete Brown

TTB: What are your respective roles in the operation?

ES: I typically handle the day to day, manufacturing and repairing of the watches that come in as well as the teaching of the Apprentices and assemblers that we have.

PB: I work on the business development side and work with prospective companies on trying to bring their vision to market.  I also work with our different suppliers on obtaining the parts and we made need as well as work with our local manufacturers and vendors.

TTB: The 2824-based MD7081 is an exciting development. What advantages does it offer a watch brand or consumer?

ES: Convenience and a cool story. It’s assembled in the USA so if a customer has an issue, they do not have to wait weeks to hear back from a foreign company and if they want to stop by, it is not an overseas trip. Other than that, we went with the 2824 because it is tried and tested, so why not start with something that everyone knows and build up from there?

PB: One of the objectives that led to the creation of the MD7081 was to develop an 11 1⁄2 caliber suitable for the volume market in the U.S. that could be used as a drop-in replacement for popular calibers that brands are currently using. The other advantage to our watch brand clients is that they can come and see the movements being assembled, shoot a video, etc.  And if warranty work needs to be completed down the line our clients are sending the movements to Maryland, not to Switzerland, Japan, or China.

TTB: What did it take to get this project off the ground? 

ES: Persistence, patience, and a lot of research.

TTB: What sort of volume do you think you will be able to produce?

ES: Right now we are able to do around 1200 per year on the movements, but we are trying to quickly ramp that up with the hiring of 3-5 assemblers.

TTB: When you say your movement is, “American Assembled,” what exactly does that mean?

ES: It means the only thing we don’t assemble is the balance complete, jewels, and barrel complete.

TTB: But “American Assembled” is not the same as “Made in the U.S.A.” and legally “Made in the U.S.A.” is vastly different from “Swiss Made.” Can you explain the distinctions between the U.S. Federal Trade Commission’s standard and the Swiss government’s standard?

ES: It differs a lot, and it’s 100% frustrating. The Swiss have it easy with the “60% of the value of the watch.” Our FTC, who knows nothing about watches, says “all or mostly all” which means that 99% sometimes isn’t enough. We are working with the FTC to help create a standard that is more realistic and/or more definitive on what is needed.

PB: The “Made in the U.S.A.” standard is complicated for watches. The requirements of the Swiss Made brand protect traditional Swiss component and movement manufacturers and ensure that foreign brands come to Switzerland in order to produce credible luxury watches. However, the share of value creation preserved in Switzerland as a result of the Swiss Made rule is remarkably low.  The cost of components and movement assembly for a typical Swiss luxury watch is only 6% of its retail price. The bulk of the value creation happens in the consumer’s mind through branding and functions such as design and marketing in Switzerland, but the Swiss Made label does not require them to do so.

In the face of increasing competition, the Swiss have taken measures to protect their watch industry, hanging on to the prestige accorded “Swiss” watches but acknowledging certain realities. The Swiss have had established regulatory systems that have governed Swiss manufacturing since the 1920’s. [See U.S. International Trade Commission Pub. 177 and MIT Professor Amy Glasmeier’s book Manufacturing Time: Global Competition in the Watch Industry 1795-2000.] Through a combination of cartelization and government involvement, the Swiss industry has been regulated to control both horizontal and vertical production supply through government and private industry. If a watch or its movement is to be considered Swiss, 60% of its value must be Swiss and 40% of the value of the watch or movement can be in Chinese parts (kits) customized as needed, assembled, calibrated, and cased up in Asia or Switzerland. [See Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry (FHS), “Guide to the Use of the Designation “Swiss” for Watches.“]  The minimum rate of 60% was not chosen at random, it corresponds to the rate used in the free-trade agreement between Switzerland and the European Union.  According to Jean-Daniel Pasche, President of the Swiss Watch Federation FH Watch Industry, Switzerland’s private, professional and non-profit trade association,

The rate of 60% is the result of a compromise among the industry and adopted by the Swiss government. It was not possible to fix a higher rate as this would have been considered as a perfectionist measure in contradiction with the WTO (World Trade Organization) rules and free trade agreements. The 60% rule has its basis in real-life economics, on one side; the rate of 60% ensures a clear majority of Swiss value within a Swiss-made watch.  On the other side, this grants a certain flexibility for the brands in sourcing components.

The Swiss know that a healthy industry depends on competing in every price segment. The 60% Rule means inexpensive watches produced in Switzerland may still carry the “Swiss Made” label. More importantly, the law ensures that well-paying jobs for highly skilled watchmakers stay there.

Based on the current FTC criteria, few watches or movements manufactured or assembled here in the USA will ever qualify.  And maybe that’s the way the Swiss want it.  American companies were further put at an enormous disadvantage in 2005 when the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry urged the Swiss government to press the U.S. into negotiations “with a view to a free trade agreement, which would be hugely beneficial to the Swiss watch industry. According to an FHS memo titled “The Swiss Watch Industry – Free Trade Agreement With The USA A Golden Opportunity,”

Definition of origin and marking stipulations also pose problems for our industry. According to American legislation, the origin of the watch is determined solely by the place of assembly of the movement, completely overlooking any notion of final assembly of the watch (T2) and final inspection by the manufacturer, as outlined in the Swiss made ruling. This definition, much wider than the one we are used to in Switzerland, opens the door to all manner of violations and considerable risk of confusion. Moreover, the watch and its components must show highly restricting marks of origin, which the United States is virtually alone in demanding.

I’ll quote that last part again in case you missed it, “the watch and its components must show highly restricting marks of origin, which the United States is virtually alone in demanding.”  American companies are competing against the Swiss, who can claim “Swiss Made” despite Swiss standards, which allow up to 40% of a watch to be made outside Switzerland whereas American companies can make 95% of a watch in America and still not be able to claim the symbol of bedrock manufacturing: “Made in America.” It’s worth noting that some historic “American” brands were in fact using Swiss-sourced mechanisms within their own cases. We cannot compete globally against other countries when the bar is so high. The lack of domestic supply for so many of the key elements needed to make a finished watch means there is little chance for any brand to legitimately stamp “Made in the USA” on a popular-priced watch.

There are two claims to “American Made”: “unqualified” or “qualified.”  [You can read the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) list here.] “Unqualified” means that “all or virtually all” significant parts and processing are of U.S. origin. The product may contain a small number of foreign ingredients if they’re not significant — the knobs of a barbecue grill, for instance. Companies must be able to document any claim.

“Qualified” claims, the main cause of confusion, come in many forms, but each must tell the whole story.

Take any Apple product. The packaging says, “Designed by Apple in California, Assembled in China.” That’s an acceptable claim. By contrast, a company could land in trouble if it said, “created in the U.S.” without specifying the country of manufacture since consumers are likely to interpret a vague, stand-alone term like “created” as all-inclusive. The FTC requires companies to post prominent, unambiguous statements (such as the actual country of origin) to leave an accurate impression.

So in the watch world, the qualified claim is “Made in the U.S.A. from domestic and foreign parts” or “Assembled in the USA from foreign and Domestic Parts.” This is acceptable.

TTB: Acceptable, but a lot to write on a watch dial. 

PB: Yeah, no shit. According to Julia Ensor, an attorney in the FTC’s Enforcement Division who I’ve been going back and forth with over several years (and as you may remember, she also sent closing letters to Shinola watches, Weiss watches and Niall watches for deceptive “Made in the U.S.A.” marketing) has stated that,

In order for a product to be considered “all or virtually all” made in the United States, the final assembly or processing of the product must take place in the United States.  Beyond this minimum
threshold, the Commission will consider other factors, including, but not limited to:

    • The portion of the product’s total manufacturing costs that are attributable to U.S. parts and
      processing;
    • How far removed from the finished product any foreign content is; and,
    • The importance of the foreign content or processing to the overall function of the product.

Substantiating that a product underwent final assembly or processing in the United States is only the first step toward making an unqualified “American Made” claim.  Because consumers likely understand “American Made” claims to mean that products are “all or virtually all” made in the United States, a manufacturer should possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that its product is “all or virtually all” made in the United States at the time the manufacturer makes the unqualified claim.

TTB: Given all that, what will it take for you to produce an American Made movement that meets the U.S. legal requirements? What practical issues stand in the way?

ES: Feasibility. No company is going to start growing their own jewels just for watches, vibrate hairsprings on a mass scale, make mainsprings or make an incabloc system. I think the closest any affordable movement will get is about 75-80% of the watch so getting to FTC to change its standards for watchmaking to match the standards for “American Made” cars will be the best way to get there.

PB:  According to Julia Ensor, “without a movement, a watch cannot tell time. Therefore, movements are essential to the function of a watch.”  So to make an American Made product, our focus is on producing the movement but how do we produce an American Made movement when the standard is “all or virtually all” and the FTC doesn’t really define “virtually?” According to Ensor, there are other catches in all of this such as how far removed from the finished product is the foreign content, and how important is the foreign content to the product?  In my discussions with Ensor, the significant parts would be those of the movement such as bridges, trains, mainplate (virtually all). The Commission will consider manufacturing costs assigned to the US portions and foreign portions of the product and how far removed the foreign product is from the final item, and let me tell you the cost of manufacturing parts here is somewhat high. We are trying to work with our partners to bring the costs down.

The key to reviving this industry is extensive collaboration between private industry and government.  We need government investment and incentives to re-build production and purchase manufacturing equipment. We meed low-interest loans, incubation and growth incentives, business tax breaks for American companies. And we need trade enforcement measures on watches made overseas all compel companies to open factories in the U.S. to serve the local markets. Also, worker-training programs and apprenticeships, consisting of local talent and skills in manufacturing and assembly, are essential to productivity and innovation. Without a concentrated, collaborative, national effort, it will be difficult for the American watch industry to reestablish itself.

A great first effort would be for the FTC to establish phases for the watch industry in which every American watch company could achieve the “Made in the USA” moniker with varying levels of distinction (Type 1 includes 20% US content, Type 2 includes 40% US content etc.,) for American made until we can reach a certain percentage as the Swiss have done. There needs to be greater discussion on this within the watch industry — the brand owners — and the FTC. I say brand owners because Swiss lobbying associations such as the American Watch Association are only involved in protecting and promoting largely Swiss brands through the reduction of taxes and tariffs on watches, the elimination of burdensome regulation on watch companies and their suppliers, and the protection of intellectual property rights of member watch companies through strong trademark, copyright and patent laws. See how that impacts American companies involved in the resurgence here in the US.

I posit to you that an American watch company, no matter how large or small, who calls the USA home for their headquarters, pays taxes in the USA and employs US citizens, should be able to display Made in the USA somewhere on a watch or movement with the various level of US content involved. American watch brands today offer a value proposition compared to their Swiss competitors and we shouldn’t hinder ourselves or our fledging watch industry by competing with them. I shall leave you with this quote to consider from a man whom I have the utmost respect for, Jean-Claude Biver, former President of LVMH’s Watch Division and who is now starting his own brand., who said “The Swiss watch industry has no competition.”  If the FTC doesn’t consider a new standard for American watches Mr. Biver’s statement will hold true for a very long time, at least here in America.

TTB: You mentioned the need for worker training and apprenticeship programs to rekindle the American watch industry. Tell us about MWW’s own apprenticeship program. I understand it is one of the only programs of its kind in the US.

ES: Yes, it is the only apprenticeship for watchmaking approved by any State government since the 70s. I created the curriculum and had it approved by the State of Maryland and the U.S. Department of Labor.  The funny thing about the Watchmaking Apprenticeship program is the Maryland Department of Labor had to check with the US Department of Labor as a program had not been State-approved since the 70s. The Department of Labor had to look in its records at some historical examples. It took a year for us to meet the requirements of the program and then we started it right when COVID first started.

TTB: What would be your advice to someone aspiring to be a watchmaker? 

ES: It’s all about trial and error, patience and persistence. You will break stuff, bend pivots, and lose screws, but it gets better. As long as you can get past that frustration, the ability to take apart and rebuild such a small and precise mechanism is quite rewarding. So above everything, don’t be afraid to fail, you will learn from it and the accomplishment is worth the trial. Because if you stop learning you might as well start dying.

TTB: So, what’s next for MWW?

ES: Making five American parts for the 7081, making a Manual wind with sub-seconds, and hopefully growing enough to hire 3-5 more assemblers by the end of the year and another 2 full-time watchmakers.

TTB: Before we wrap it up, please tell us about Watches, Whiskey and Wine. What made you decide to do that kind of event now?

ES: We thought it would be fun!

PB: True story: we had wanted to do a watch get together for our grand opening for watch enthusiasts, collectors, etc., and one day my wife and I were walking through the area where the show was to be held and we noticed the new distillery that was going to be opened and she said, “why don’t you do a Watches, Whiskey, and Wine Show and make it fun for everyone?” We are very interested in holding a monthly watch enthusiasts get-together with any brand that wants to come in addition to collectors. Sort of like Red Bar.

TTB: I think Watches, Whiskey and Wine was a great success and I know I had an absolute blast, but I also know what a colossal pain in the ass it is to organize that kind of event. Do you think you’ll do it again next year? 

PB: Sure! If we have enough brands that are willing to come and show interest, Meinelschmidt Distillery, the main whiskey at the show, was very happy with the turnout and are pushing to have it again with more distilleries.

TTB: I’m looking forward to it. Until then, I’ll see you at District Time!

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